Wednesday, February 15, 2006

God

[Warning - please leave your rational faculties on the chair next to you. You will not need to use any reason or logic in this case] Why are we here? Why did God create us? Why did God create anything at all?? If God is understood to be outside of time and existence, transcending this Universe, then God must have brought existence into existence and thus created a "beginning" of time and Universe. So, before the "bringing into existence of existence", God must have existed in and among non-existence. So, existing in non-existence and being the sole existent must feel awfully lonely. But that cannot be the case because God is Supremely satisfied, content, and exists in an infinite state of perfection and completeness. So, God cannot be lonely. So, having some companionship could not be the reason God created existence. Maybe God wanted His ego to be stroked? Maybe God needed some supernatural creatures like Angels and some lowly creatures like Humans and animals to recognize Him as Almighty and worship His magnanimity? But does it make any sense to think that God "needed" something? Anything? Does God ever "need"? Maybe God needs love. We all need some lovin' at some point in our lives. Maybe God wants (needs?) someone to love and love Him back, so he created us and all the creatures of the heavens. I think it could also be argued that God does not just "need" us to love Him, but demands that we love Him - or else we will suffer eternal damnation in hell for scorning Him. Certainly, just like anyone else, even God does not wish to be a scorned lover; and He takes it very personally if He is scorned by anyone. So, it seems like because we exist, and because Existence exists, and because creation of Existence implies a beginning of time, God must have had some reason/need/motive to bring existence into existence and begin the flow of time. Well, that raises another question: what was God doing "before" He got the impluse to create time and existence? Furthermore, in His infinite Intelligence, what was His Divine purpose to bring Human Beings INTO existence as mortal beings, and then bestow upon us immortality AFTER fatality, to be spent either in eternal suffering or eternal bliss? (In light of this point, read my previous post "God's Original Plan for Humanity" for further interesting insights into God's behavior). Some believe that we have never gone "in and out" of existence - that we have always existed with God forever in eternity. I suppose that makes us all the "Alpha and Omega" the "immortal, eternal spirit" - terms usually reserved only for God. In that case, what is God's Intelligent design behind forcing our immortal selves to take on the garb of mortality, live on this earth, suffer disease and disaster, experience anguish, pain, joy and exuberance, only in the end of it all to "die" and return back to our immortal selves and then be banished into hell for eternity or taken up into heaven? What's all this drama about? Is all the world a stage and our lives a play for God's voyeuristic pleasure? There is another way to look at all this: because we exist, because Existence exists, and because creation of Existence implies a beginning of time while acting outside of time and existence, God can not exist and must necessarily not exist. In other words, the fact that we exist proves that God cannot exist. Either that is true, or the God-concept will need to undergo inherently drastic, almost diametrically opposite, changes in its meaning - God will need to be understood as frail, jealous, bored, lonely, egotistic, evil, voyeuristic, capable of sinning, angry, etc.

3 Comments:

Blogger Jason Hughes said...

I love it! I wish my brain worked like yours soemtimes.... But hence, individualism...

:D

2/17/2006 10:34:00 AM  
Blogger Ergo Sum said...

Thanks, JT! :)

2/17/2006 10:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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Is God Bored and Lonely?
By Ergosum - Posted on May 2nd, 2006
Tagged: Opinion • Personal freedom • Better future
[From my personal blog at http://ergosum.blogspot.com]

I just Googled your subject line and found a link to your blog. It’s nice to know that there are others that think about the same things I think about.

I’ve noted my thoughts below. Perhaps you will find them interesting or thought-provoking

Why are we here? Why did God create us? Why did God create anything at all?? If God is understood to be outside of time and existence, transcending this Universe, then God must have brought existence into existence and thus created a "beginning" of time and Universe.

Perhaps G_D is existence? If so, existence didn’t have to be brought – it simply existed.
I’m not sure that time began at the same time as existence if it’s possible to exist outside of time, which I believe it is. Perhaps the universe and time began together, which would have to be at the beginning of time but possibly after the beginning of existence, if there was such a thing as the “beginning of existence”, which I don’t believe there is.

So, before the "bringing into existence of existence", God must have existed in and among non-existence.

I don’t believe anyone or anything can exist before existence, by definition?

So, existing in non-existence and being the sole existent must feel awfully lonely.

I believe that even existing alone IN existence can feel awfully lonely.

But that cannot be the case because God is Supremely satisfied, content, and exists in an infinite state of perfection and completeness. Loneliness implies imperfection, a desire, a need for company or stimulation. God cannot ever "need" anything. So, God cannot be lonely. So, having some companionship could not be the reason God created existence.

G_D may be supremely satisfied, etc. now, but it may be that this is an evolved state, since G_D may have evolved to this state before the beginning of time. As such, there may have been a pre-evolved state where G_D was indeed lonely and bored. As such, it may also be true that companionship was one of many reasons G_D created the universe.

Maybe God wanted His ego to be stroked? Maybe God needed some supernatural creatures like Angels and some lowly creatures like Humans and animals to recognize Him as Almighty and worship His magnanimity?

I believe that ego is strictly a human thing. I don’t believe this is an attribute of G_D.

But does it make any sense to think that God "needed" something? Anything? Does God ever "need"? Maybe God needs love. We all need some lovin' at some point in our lives. Maybe God wants (needs?) someone to love and love Him back, so he created us and all the creatures of the heavens.

It does seem that love is magnified if shared, although self-love can exist alone. I do believe that the opportunity to share love was at least one of the reasons for creating the universe.

I think it could also be argued that God does not just "need" us to love Him, but demands that we love Him - or else we will suffer eternal damnation in hell for scorning Him.

I’m pretty sure that G_D knows that love can’t be demanded in the same way that obedience can.

Certainly, just like anyone else, even God does not wish to be a scorned lover; and He takes it very personally if He is scorned by anyone. The only judgment passed upon a MORTAL human who chooses to despise and scorn God all his life is ETERNAL, IMMORTAL damnation in the burning fires of hell. Such is God's perfect sense of justice.

Again, scorn is a human thing. We have to be careful not to create G_D in our own image.

FYI – I don’t believe that hell exists, except from time to time on earth.

So, it seems like because we exist, and because Existence exists, and because creation of Existence implies a beginning of time, God must have had some reason/need/motive to bring existence into existence and begin the flow of time. Well, that raises another question: what was God doing "before" He got the impluse to create us and bring us into existence, thus starting us on a linear path of birth and death? Furthermore, in His infinite Intelligence, what was His Divine purpose to bring Human Beings INTO existence as mortal beings, and then bestow upon us immortality AFTER fatality, to be spent either in eternal suffering or eternal bliss? (In light of this point, read my previous post "God's Original Plan for Humanity" at http://www.progressiveu.org/000243-gods-original-plan-for-humanity).
Some believe that we have never gone "in and out" of existence - that we have always existed with God forever in eternity. I suppose that makes us all the "Alpha and Omega" the "immortal, eternal spirit" - terms usually reserved only for God.

Or maybe we are one component of the Alpha and Omega. The created but not the Creator.

In that case, what is God's Intelligent design behind forcing our immortal selves to take on the garb of mortality, live on this earth, suffer disease and disaster, experience anguish, pain, joy and exuberance, only in the end of it all to "die" and return back to our immortal selves and then be banished into hell for eternity or taken up into heaven? What's all this drama about?

Why do you think you are forced to live on earth. If you were lonely and bored for 50 trillion years wouldn’t you eventually volunteer? I’m pretty sure I would. And I would consider the opportunity to have that choice a blessing, not a curse.

Is all the world a stage and our lives a freakish play for God's voyeuristic pleasure?

I always figured we are here to participate in the process of perfecting the universe.

There is another way to look at all this: because we exist, because Existence exists, and because creation of Existence implies a beginning of time while acting outside of time and existence, God can not exist and must necessarily not exist. In other words, the fact that we exist proves that God cannot exist.

I actually don’t understand the logic whereby the created can exist without the presence of a creator.

Either that is true, or the God-concept will need to undergo inherently drastic, almost diametrically opposite, changes in its meaning - God will need to be understood as frail, jealous, bored, lonely, egotistic, evil, voyeuristic, capable of sinning, angry, etc.

Sorry – I don’t follow this logic either. But, that’s OK – you probably don’t understand all of mine either

Best regards…Steve

9/14/2007 09:48:00 PM  

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