Thursday, December 01, 2005

Abolish Limbo

Limbo -- the place where the Catholic Church teaches that babies go if they die before being baptized -- may have its days numbered. How convenient. Oh, and while we're at it, might as well abolish hell... and, purgatory too... why not? Being the pope in the Catholic Church is so cool -- he gets to create his own reality for "souls" of dead people... upon his wishes there was a limbo... and now upon the wishes of the new pope... there might not be one anymore. I feel sad for the souls who will be evicted from the limbo -- where will they go? Oh, the tortured state of such homeless souls, even in death they can't find rest. Pope John Paul asked the commission to come up with "a more coherent and enlightened way" of describing the fate of such innocents. So, according to whatever new description they come up with for the fate of these "innocent" souls, there will indeed exist such a place that will fit the description that they attempt to create. That's quite amazing powers that the pope has! (Interestingly, if the Church is already assuming that these souls are innocent, then why aren't they in heaven by default? Doesn't innocent mean in some manner, pure, sinless, holy, naive? Is it not enough that one is devoid of sin to be in heaven? Does the soul REQUIRE to have done "good deeds" while alive inorder to be admitted to heaven? I though God was all-loving and all-merciful. It's strange that God has such reservations on letting the souls of babies into heaven. Apparently, His love and mercy does not extend to the souls of babies who have not "wilfully" chosen HIM -- because they simply, physiologically cannot do that yet. However, God's ego -- being so bloated that it is -- requires even from babies that stringent criteria that they must have chosen God and good deeds inorder to be admitted to heaven -- if not, they have to go to this place called "limbo" -- which, incidentally, might not exist anymore if the pope decides so. Oh, all the CRAP people believe!!)


Blogger Eddie James said...

You think the Catholic Church has a grip on people's minds? Look at the news story and read through the wordplay. They paint it as a game. You have internet at your fingertips. Search Vatican archives, something, anything. But come on now, the Catholic Church isn't stupid. It's only the basis for all Christian religion. Only been around for 2000 years. Use your noggin, not your emotional response to some negative Yahoo! news.

12/01/2005 11:45:00 AM  
Blogger Ergo Sum said...

*only* been around for 2000 years!?!? Damn, it's the oldest church around today!
It's the basis for *all* christian religions?? On what grounds? I bet a gazillion non-catholic christians will disagree with you.

I ain't saying the Catholic Church is stupid at all! Infact, if you read through some of my blogposts you will realize that I understand the Catholic church is very intellectual... as a collective entity. Infact, it's intellectual rationalizations are almost insidiously smart/evil.

That is not to say that Protestants are any less pernicious. I'm an atheist. My default position is that faith in any mysticism is ignorance at best, dangerously evil at worst.

12/01/2005 12:09:00 PM  
Blogger Semperviva said...

just FYI limbo is not a catholic teaching- its a theorization of some Catholic theologians...

12/01/2005 01:16:00 PM  
Blogger Semperviva said...

Augustine thought unbaptized children went to Hell. This idea is ultimetely rejected by the Church because they have NO personal sin, no guilt and can therefore NOT be damned.

12/01/2005 01:40:00 PM  
Blogger Ergo Sum said...

No personal sin, no guilt, and therefore cannot be damned. But apparently, they're not good enough to get to heaven either, cuz the Pope feels that he needs to come up with a new description for their eventual fate... the assumption being, a new description is required because they do not go to heaven like other good souls, hence the "heaven" description of state does not apply to these "innocent souls"

Also, limbo HAS to be Catholic doctrine because the very INSTITUTION of Catholicism, i.e. the Pope and the rest of the Vatican guys are struggling to deal with their doctrine... change it in some way.

If you define "Catholic doctrine" in some other way that precludes atleast in some instances the authority of the legitimate Catholic body, i.e. the Vatican and the Pope, then you are obviously being heretical, and you have no business calling those opinions "Catholic".
Official Catholicism is exactly what the Official Church and the Pope says it is.

12/01/2005 01:46:00 PM  
Blogger Eddie James said...

"Only" was sarcastic...hehe.

Of course Protestant churches will say they aren't from Catholics. But no matter, that is the case of things. The entirety of Protestant faith is from Catholicism. Every single thing they believe is either taken directly from Catholic doctrine or is a deviation from it.

Christianity is Catholicism and then everything else that springs out. Nooo, that's not me being ostentatious or anything. My father is a theologian with 6 degrees so I hear quite a bit about this and the rationlization for it. Nooo, I'm not bragging about my father. But he does offer me a wealth of information.

Yeah, I didn't really go through all your blog posts. When I've got the time maybe ;-).

I must ask you as an atheist: what is evil if their is no God? Evil is an opposite of good morality. You cannot have morality without a God. So what is evil then? I'm very interested as to hwo atheists would approach that.

I'll hunker down to the rest of your blog soon enough...


12/01/2005 02:28:00 PM  
Blogger Ergo Sum said...

Oh. Here we go again. How can an atheist have morals without a god. Hmmm... I'll just post a few links to my other blogposts that tackle that issue... it'll make it easier for you and me.

12/01/2005 02:34:00 PM  
Blogger Tyrel said...

Ha! It is an endless battle for you!

To all of you out there, I have only one thing to say to you -


(I decided to jump on that bandwagon too!)

12/01/2005 04:08:00 PM  
Blogger Ergo Sum said...

The Bandwagon is our favorite kind of wagon... so it seems! :)

Btw, Vdhiubn has a great blog out there that y'all should check out. I agree with everything he says there.


12/01/2005 04:25:00 PM  
Blogger Rubicund Y. Logorrhea said...

Oh, Ergo, such shameless self-promotion. Even inveterate band-wagoneers can see through such shams.



12/01/2005 09:52:00 PM  
Blogger Ergo Sum said...

Oh whatever... you're such a knntt.


12/02/2005 10:39:00 AM  
Blogger Ergo Sum said...

I swear that was really my word verification! How appropriately timely, don't you think?!

Very zvrwv. It's uncanny.

12/02/2005 10:40:00 AM  

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