Thursday, June 02, 2005

Morality of an Atheist

Assume the following: God exists. This is an objective fact. The religious and the holy people all believe and have faith that God exists. The atheists of the world live their lives believing fully and truly that there is no God. My declaration is: A good and moral atheist functions at a higher level of morality than a good and moral religious believer. A fully moral person who is religious and believes in the existence of God is still lacking in a complete sense of morality and falls below the level of righteousness than that person who is also fully moral and righteous, but is an atheist. A person who believes in God believes that only God is truly, fully and perfectly moral. It is only possible to God to be consistently and perfectly and omniciently moral at all times. Such a totality of morality is not possible to any moral human, and therefore (a religious person believes) one can only strive to come close to that perfection in morality, though one will never attain it. Hence, a religious believer sees God as his/her standard of morality and all their sense of right and wrong is derived from their sense of what would be the will of God -- for them, morality is derived ultimately from God. They view themselves, mortal human beings, as incapable of originating any immaculate sense of morality and righteousness. All good and all judgments of good come from their inspiration to be God-like, to act God-like, to choose and will like God would wish, to exist in manners consistent with the wishes and morality of God. Thus, their entire locus of morality is really OUTSIDE of themselves and exists INSIDE their idea of God. On the other hand, a righteous and moral atheist has no supernatural or superphysical reason to be moral and righteous. He or she is moral because s/he CHOSE to be moral out of their own free will. The entire locus of morality is situated within their own beings and arises from withi themselves. Moral atheists do not view humans as mere mortals incapable of originating any sense of right and wrong or good and bad. A moral atheists reveres the power and clarity of human rational intellect that fortifies their decision-making ability with well-guided reasons and rationales. They view themselves as volitional beings fully able to engage in moral or immoral activities, make good and bad choices, and they never escape from the responsibility of their actions which sit squarely on their own lap. The responsibility to lead a moral life, to an atheist is a strict necessity because an atheist cannot share the burden of the consequences of their actions with any other entity (supernatural or not), but must always face up to the reality of life as it presents itself to them. An atheist has to construct a system of morality and principles of morality fully and completely from the rationality of their own intellect. They view themselves as rational and intellectual power-houses fully capable of producing a system of morals that rational individuals can live with and follow. They clearly recognize the dignity and value of each human being as rational beings because they do not see any other source (supernatural or not) by which humans can derive their sense of worth, dignity, rationality or morality. For an atheist, all of those attributes are generated from within their own self. The entire locus of morality, since it exists within an atheist as opposed to outside of them, they are truly and fully more moral than any religious person. In short: An atheist is moral for its own sake, for the sake of living a moral life. An Atheist is moral for they see the immense value and rational logic of living a moral life -- without any anticipation of reward or fear of punishment. Morality springs from within themselves. A religious person is moral primarily because they believe they HAVE TO BE moral -- it is a condition forced upon them if they desire to share in the love of their supernatural entity. For a religious person, reward of a blissful afterlife in exchange for their morality or fear of punishment in eternity are strong motivations to lead a moral life. Morality does not spring from themselves, but is derived upon from their idea of perfect morality in God.


Blogger Semperviva said...

"One can only strive to come close to that perfection in morality, though one will never attain it."
oh lol, but this isin't really what the one who believes in God thinks, he believes he CAN attain perfection, or else, why strive your whole life for something you can never have? it seems illogical. and um there was something else, um, oh man this ADD thing is killing me i wish i could focus on these things because they are so damn thrilling! ok well i did have at one point in my existence a thought on something you said which has now exited my brain-tiddio thoughts--oh well btw thanks for thinkin that i'm talented i sometimes start to wonder if its all just in my head-haha rene, rene, where are you old boy?

6/03/2005 09:03:00 PM  
Blogger Semperviva said...

Also, going by some of your blogs, you seem to be a very talented creative writer.--may i ask which blogs in particular made you think that?

6/03/2005 09:21:00 PM  
Blogger Ergo Sum said...

I think it is completely naive for anyone (religious or atheist)to believe that he/she can attain that kind of perfection in morality that is only properly an attribute of God - or a concept of such God.
To say that a human strives to attain perfection in morality and in some cases DOES attain that perfection is in contradiction to the core concept of Human and God.
GOD, by definition is above and beyond all that humans can ever be in all the perfectly positive attributes.
Humans by definition are lesser beings than their God is.
Therefore, God can be perfect.
Humans can never be perfect as God is in any attribute, let alone in morality. God (if there is one) is the perfect arbiter of morals and morality.
And yes, striving all your life to attain that kind of perfection is futile, misguided, and if you ask me, a waste of a wonderful lifetime -- not just because it is not possible, but such perfection does not even exist in any god, because the God itself does not exist as an absolute entity.

Also, following my previous blogs on the idea of Perfection and Dissatisfaction, you will understand my logic for claiming that perfection as an attribute of anything or anyone does not exist in any concrete, independent, or absolute sense.

6/04/2005 11:18:00 AM  
Blogger Ergo Sum said...

"why strive your whole life for something you can never have? it seems illogical." -- PRECISELY my point! Believing in God, believing that that concept of perfection in God exists, and believing that one can lead a religious life and attain that kind of perfection is VERY illogical. Indeed!

6/04/2005 11:19:00 AM  
Blogger Elisa said...

I like your stuff ergo sum...have you checked out
I guess you've read the Selfish Gene and the Blind Watchmaker?

6/04/2005 12:15:00 PM  
Blogger Ergo Sum said...

Hi Elisa,

Thanks for posting on my site. Yes, I did read The Selfish Gene by Dawkins, but I haven't read the other book you mentioned - the Blind Watchmaker. I might look it up sometime.
I checked out your site. The picture of "Space Lane" that you have posted on there is absolutely amazing! Yea, I thought that was so cool... and as I was staring at it, I so badly wished I had that picture in my hands for real so I could put it up on my bedroom wall. Great picture!

6/06/2005 12:23:00 PM  
Blogger Semperviva said...

To say that a human strives to attain perfection in morality and in some cases DOES attain that perfection is in contradiction to the core concept of Human and God.

a human can never attain particular atributes of God, as his perfections are infinite and therefore impossible for a finite being. but, in becomeing "perfet" this term is used equivocally. we do not become "God" but likened to God, or like God. For example, in coming to have a depth of love for other people which is unconditional or unending- this i believe is possible for human beings, ergo : ) i will strive to attain this level of love. not to become God but like God.

6/07/2005 10:02:00 AM  
Blogger Semperviva said...

yes-for pace, mozart i was sitting in the commons area of my colllege writing poetry and listening as someone kept playing over and over this particular classical piece- i forget which one- i think it was beethoven but mozart sounded better with pace i thought. it was moonlight sonanta ( awesome song not bashinng it here) which evry piano player i know plays exactly as the composer wrote it- OR perhaps not even that-possible as the arranger set itnot beethoven. over and over again she kept messing up and it bothered me that she HAD to et the exact note as HE wrote it. she was doing nothing but regurgitating someone else's passion in stifling form with no innovation or creativity. I AM NOT SAYING TAT IN playing it, she could not take part in THAT vary same spriti and passion, but that she needs to FIND her OWN music also! (pace is a term my metaphysics professor used in saying pace, plato- as in yer a nice dude plato, but um, yer worng about ______ .)

6/07/2005 10:08:00 AM  
Blogger Semperviva said...

what specifically makes a piece of writing terrific besides the fact that it convey the intended message, i mean...? what are the other modes of conveying the message effectively- i love to write but never took any courses on perfecting my skills- thanks i did have a happy birthday!!!

6/07/2005 02:16:00 PM  

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